Places marked as bridges (ponts) in the Canal lateral a la Loire

Started by Len, May 28, 2019, 06:02 PM

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Len

Of the roughly 219 places on this canal, about 102 of them are \"Pont\" something-something. Pont d'Ecluse Digoin and Ecluse 1 Digoin are 0.02 km apart. Pont de Mortillon and kilometre post 12 are 0.01 km apart. And there are Ecluse 3 de l'Odde at 173.27 km, Pont-canal de l'Oddes at 173.31, and Pont pres Ecluse l'Oddes at 173.48.
At least a few ponts actually seem to disguise real places - e.g., Pont de l'Avenue Jacques-Coeur (at 59.52 km) is really Port de La Chapelle-Montlinard; and Pont du Rue La Petite Point (at 40.44 km) is actually the lovely hamlet of Ménétréol-sous-Sancerre (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9n%C3%A9tr%C3%A9ol-sous-Sancerre) with old, characteristic vintners houses, a disused railway aqueduct, an 11th-century church, access to the wine town of Sancerre, and a great restaurant.
In addition, 50 places are for kilometre posts, which, if I remember correctly, are mostly invisible from the boat unless you're deliberately looking for them.
I am far from being an experienced boater, my experience limited to travelling a large section of this canal last year and planning another trip for this year. To be candid, I don't see the point of so many ponts (if I can attempt a bilingual pun) and KPs. They seem to only clutter up the route, and I'm wondering if some judicious culling might be in order. That, to me, means deleting the places (or renaming them), something which I have a feeling you might not want to do. And I would feel very nervous about doing.
Thanks.
Len

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Shultzy

The objective when creating a waterway is to document each and every structure that appears on it, locks, bridges (ponts), marker posts, and aqueducts etc. This equates to those found in the Nicholson's guides and the equivalent in other countries. The fact that some of these structures are close to each other is just coincidental. Isn't it useful to know that a bridge in the distance has a lock immediately behind it?

[Pont de l'Avenue Jacques-Coeur] is the bridge that bisects [Port de La Chapelle-Montlinard] its just that [Port de La Chapelle-Montlinard] has not been created. The data for a waterway has been put on by users who may have missed some places so feel free to \"fill in the gaps\".

Remember that CanalPlanAC tries to provide information to a wide variety of waterway users, some who might want to know the existence of kilometre/mile markers.
Regards Shultzy

Stephen Atty

As Canalplan really only shows places on the waterway that's why the concept of Areas was created. So If you look at Market Drayton (  https://canalplan.org.uk/area/3 ) you'll see that it encompasses multiple places on the canal.

So  Pont du Rue La Petite Point  could either be the centre of an area called Ménétréol-sous-Sancerre  or you could put it in as an alias for the place.

The idea of removing bridges just because there are too many of them is nonsensical.

Administrator

One thing people don't make enough use of is the \"type\" of place.  If you make sure all the little bridges are \"minor waterway place\"s, but villages and towns are labelled as such (even if the bridge is used as the place, with the village/town name attached to it as an alias) then someone planning with \"small places\" turned on will get all the little bridges hidden and only the important places shown.


Stephen Atty

If you can think of any way of making it less cluttered then feel free to discuss it.